Saturday, May 24, 2008

Why Are So Many Christians Attacking Dr. Robert Morey?

This is a very good question to consider, after all aren't there more important things to do? There is a need to evangelize the cults and world religions for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. So what would incite people to put so much time and energy in denouncing a man of God? I would like to explore this question briefly. It could be a sign of Dr. Bob's faithfulness to God, Jesus said that His followers would be persecuted for His name's sake. That is a simple and direct answer to the question, is it not? But is it the only possibility? Is it possible that Dr. Bob is guilty of wrong doing? How can we know? These are also important questions to consider. We all know that Dr. Bob is a recognized Christian scholar who has learned from men like Van Till, Clark, Adams, Walter Martin, Schaeffer and others. (It is not within the scope of this blog article to consider his theology and philosophy but to deal with the subject in question). Knowing his great commitment to the things of God, why would anyone think that Dr. Bob would knowingly wrong another Christian? Sure, Dr. Bob has a personality that rubs many people the wrong way, but nobody's perfect. That is no reason to denounce him as a liar and a slanderer is it?

"The first to plead his case seems right, Until another comes and examines him." (Proverbs 18:17) Scripture clearly teaches us that there are two sides to every story, and to restrict ourselves to one side is not only unwise, but morally wrong. If you are someone who attends "Faith Community Church" (FCC) or is a fan of the ministry of "Faith Defenders" (FD), don't you have the moral responsibility to hear the other side of the story? Let us ask a question. If you meet someone who wants to go into business or ministry with you, wouldn't you want a few references from those who have worked with him in the past? Supposing you find that many of the people that you contact don't know each other in some cases, but all give the exact same description of his dishonest and immoral behavior? Would you ignore it and proceed to work with him after being warned? Bare in mind that Paul said "he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil." (1Timothy 3:7) We are all sinners and are subject to quarrels within the body of Christ. Obviously just because Dr. Bob has had a falling out with some people could mean that Dr. Bob has been wronged by others. Or perhaps there have been serious misunderstandings?

"Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses." (1Timothy 5:19) Scripture teaches us that we should take into account the testimony of witnesses in making these decisions. "But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good" (1Thessalonians 5:21). We are to examine evidence very carefully before we make a commitment to anything or anyone, no matter what the cost. It is this that should be focused on in discussing the issues of the current Dr. Bob controversy. Here are some facts that should be taken into account:

1. Dr. Bob has had two church splits at FCC within less than a year and a half. There have been broken friendships and spirits as a result of these church splits.

2. There is a multitude of witnesses that give the same descriptions of Dr. Bob's immoral and abusive behavior over at least the past 15 years. People that have worked side by side in ministry with Dr. Bob. (Many of which don't know each other).

3. The testimony of witnesses is documented in this blog, Joel's blog,, and several other places. Gadfly J has provided us with a section entitled "Important Robert A. Morey Links..." With a network of links dealing with the witness testimony.

4. Specifically, lieutenantcolumbo has provided us with the testimony of several witnesses that dealt with Dr. Bob in the 1990s. The site has been updated with new labels that explain what each mp3 covers. The paper documentations regarding Dr. Bob's dealings with the "Research and Education Foundation" (REF) referenced are available to investigate.

There is one more very important and crucial question to consider. If Dr. Bob is guilty of wrong doing, who can hold him accountable? He is not subject to any ecclesiastical authority at his church? One cannot say that he is held accountable by the church members, being that whenever there is conflict with Dr. Bob, people leave to find another church. I would urge attention to the fact that though Dr. Bob, as brilliant a man as he may be, should not be held to a different standard than other Christian leaders. It is crucial that we continue to preach the word to a lost and dying world, but this does not mean we should allow Christians to sin against Christians. This article is written out of concern for the spiritual well being of those who place him as a mentor and spiritual father. I'd like to thank gadfly j for allowing me to share some of my thoughts on this blog.

With Christian love,

Sunday, May 18, 2008

“Prince Caspian” in Culver...

Lourdes & I spent a nice evening in Culver City friday night. Our old stomping grounds never looked as different as it did this night. We took my nephew to see “Prince Caspian”, which was a really superb movie.

Prince Caspian depicts an epic battle between good and evil, as the Narnians struggled to free themselves from living under the oppressive reign of someone who is not the rightful king.

A roar from a ram's horn summons the four youthful English siblings back in time to Narnia. The horn blower is Prince Caspian, the rightful heir to Narnia's throne. His legacy is being challenged by his uncle Meraz’s newborn son.

From the depths of the earth, to the birds above, to the cyclonic forces of the inland waters, battles will rage at the roar of the brave lion, Aslan to aid in the conquest of Prince Caspian's throne.

"The fate of all lies with the Destiny of One."

The movie spends a little bit more time on battle scenes then I would have expected. And because of the focus on the warfare and the numerous battles, the film lacked an innocence that the first one so brilliantly conveyed.

It’s a turbulent sequel full of fantasy and fun for everyone and the little dwarfs too! My nephew really enjoyed himself as well.

Thursday, May 15, 2008

Is Truth Stretcher Bob’s D.Min really in Apologetics?

According to Mr. Morey’s Bio on, it states that he is the proud honoree of a Doctor of Ministry (D.Min) in Apologetics from Westminster Theological Seminary. However when one visits Westminster Theological Seminary's official site, one will quickly realize that Westminster offers no such D.Min in Apologetics. Here is their official statement regarding what is offered in their D.Min program:

"There are three tracks of study in the D.Min. program: Pastoral Ministry, Pastoral Counseling, and Urban Mission. Within the Counseling Track there is also a specialized emphasis on Korean Studies".

Strange how a “Man of God” who wants you to believe & trust that he is very thorough & exhaustive in his research regarding his sermons, books, tapes and journals, yet he exhibits no real qualms when it comes to stretching the truth in regards to the padding of his educational accolades.

Tuesday, May 13, 2008

Dead Silence at the BT Blogs…

I find it awfully ironic how some of the writers over there found it necessary to belittle those who choose to stay anonymous while commenting on their biblicalthought (BT) blog in the past with funny little sound effects, yet it is they who are now silent in regards to the current "Morey conspiracy" (as it never happened).

It is they who are now silent and NOT ALLOWED to say or write anything to defend their precious sacred cow, lest they be placed on church discipline or given over to Satan on some trumped up, bogus charges (as has been done in times past).

Just remember guys, if you close your eyes real tight and tap your shoes together 3 times and repeat the phrase, "There's no biblical scholar like Dr. Bob", "There's no biblical scholar like Dr. Bob", "There's no biblical scholar like Dr. Bob", then ::POOF:: all shall be as nothing ever happened!

This one’s for you fellows, for all the deleting and hiding you now find yourselves partaking in; I resurrected this one just for you…

Monday, May 12, 2008

The 1st Annual Legion of Doom Reunion?

As I reflected this afternoon, about how our special reunion went this past Saturday, I seemed to be amazed & encouraged at the workings of our gracious God.

Many ex-Faith Community Church (FCC) members showed up this past weekend, not really knowing what to expect, yet they knew God had a plan. There were so many familiar faces that had emerged, some of which we just never were able to say goodbye, but it seemed by God’s providence that he had reunited us all together yet again. I also met some new friends that had issues well after my departure at FCC. And it broke my heart that they too had to experience the cold heartedness of FCC and their ridiculous shunning practices.

Some had raised the question, “Are we all trying so desperately to re-create that joy we had experienced there in days past at FCC, as some have suggested”? It sure didn’t come across that way. Many of us where encouraged by one another’s exodus testimony as well as the many ministry opportunities since our departures.

(Legion of Doom members from Left to Right)
Dustin: aka Bizarro, Joey: aka Sinestro,
Clark: aka Lex Luthor,
Mr. Mike: aka Toyman, John: aka Scarecrow,
Mike: aka the Riddler,
Mark: aka Captain Cold, Joel: aka Brainiac

Loads of tears were shed, and much forgiveness was received. Was Robert Morey’s name brought up? Sure, how could it not have been? It seemed however, when his name was brought up, many of the faces seemed to portray pity for the man.

Overall I believe the consensus was, much prayer is still needed. And so we continue to pray for those poor blinded souls there at Faith Community Church. We pray God might bring a quick resolution to this Morey problem. Might Justice and Mercy ring true!

In the end, God was and will continue to be glorified!

Sunday, May 11, 2008