"And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong." (2Cor. 12:9-10)
Friday, April 17, 2009
"And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong." (2Cor. 12:9-10)
Thursday, April 2, 2009
Note to Stephen:I will not be offended if you do not post this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^As some of you know, I am on the very small team who worked for3 years gathering the info for The Senate to go after the “Grassley 6″. The first post from me here is the Grassley press-release. It was a direct result of our monitoring, that led to my interview by Frank Pastore, on Todd Bentley.
Roughly 2-3 years ago, these bloggers were claiming Dr. Bob sold the Irvine building, hid the money, and continued to raise funds for the building. In less than 10 minutes, I was able to confirm from online Orange County public records, the church still owned the building, and all taxes were paid. The fools lied about something easily refuted by public records!
It takes a lie to cover up a lie, so you know what happened next. More lies.
It is true that there are many speculations made by some that are easily refuted but do not apply to the statements made by all Morey's critics.
All these claims of “embezzlement” and no court cases filed anywhere. I know this, because we looked. It took about a week ofscrambling up the searches with various names & FBN/DBA etc.Nothing.
Did he look for Morey's filed court cases against the Wessels brothers too? Or is this objection applicable to everyone other than Morey. It was Morey who wrote a letter to the IRS claiming the Wessels embezzled money from REF. It was Morey who put out mailings asking for money because of the alleged embezzlement done by the Wessels brothers. This is clearly a double standard, this same complaint can be laid at Morey's feet. The Wessels brothers had to go through an IRS investigation in order to clear their names from any wrong doing. After their names were cleared, Larry contacted the IRS to investigate Robert Morey, Larry assumed that the IRS would take action. This is all explained in the videos available at yahoo, google, and youtube rendering this comment irrelevant to the REF scandal. If the Crown Publications Scandal with George Bonneau is being referenced, then the documentation provided below must have been missed.
Well, to be fair? We may have missed South Carolina and Montana.Some states web-sites are difficult to navigate.
I wanted to have our team investigate because of the many bloggers claims did not balance on the scale with my six years of personalexperience with Dr. Bob. Ex:About 2001-2, Dr. Bob was on the radio and asking for support.I sent him a letter with a offering. Dr. Bob read my letter on the air,PRAISING the person who sent a “$2 Offering”
For me? I could not balance this with what I read from the bloggers.
However? I do understand how some can get caught up in the lies.Not everyone on the block knows how to check tax-liens, civil cases,FBN’s and such, that are available through public records.
Should we pray they are rewarded according to their works?
I’m H8n S8n !
Mar 18th, 2009
H8n S8n and others:
Because I am a federal investigator, Dr. Morey recently asked for my personal opinion on the ongoing ravings of these miscreants. He sent me some materials related to some specific accusations to review. I reviewed his materials and downloaded the various documents that the other side posted on various websites. I looked at both sides very critically. Honestly, I felt the review was completely unnecessary. The accusations made against Dr. Morey are so absurd that the falsity was apparent on the surface. If I had received such accusations in my professional capacity, I would have dismissed them out of hand for being preposterous and nonsensical.
Really, I wonder if Sir Aaron's "critical" review included contacting Larry Wessels to hear his side of the story in obedience to Prov. 18:17. I also wonder if this federal investigator considered the conclusions of the late Hank Kitchen's (former CSI investigator and REF contributor) on this case. Robert Morey himself referred to Kitchen as a great researcher.
But even if the patently slanderous accusations were true, the accusers are still guilty of grossly unscriptural behaviour of the worst kind.
Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded?
Bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you
Just a couple examples that came to mind this time of the morning.
Mar 19th, 2009
But we cannot issue the free pass to everyone and anyone all the time and in all situations. This is where I think the issue hinges. If ignorance can warrant a temporary pass and excuse certain unbiblical behavior, then what shall we do with those that are not ignorant? If it is clear that an awareness of God’s precepts are possessed by a professing Christian, then they should be held at a much higher level of accountability than the truly ignorant professing Christian. I certainly hope that all would agree with this.
So to discard Matt. 18 (or any relevant text) as legalism and render the “technically unbiblical” actions of professing Christians as somehow valid, may apply to the ignorant, but not to the knowledgeable. This distinction then rules out many of Morey’s opposers since he has clean hands having preached these things with bombastic emphasis time and time again *to them* over the span of his career. He has also written on the subject. This makes them accountable for their actions as they are bound by the Word. No longer can one plead ignorance (which still doesn’t excuse before God).
However what these commentators fail to see is that Mat. 18 was followed in the case of the Wessels brothers. Both the Wessels and the Moreys signed the AGREEMENT OF THE PARTIES legal document (with their lawyers present) that stated that Christ Memorial Baptist Church would be the arbitrator. To resolve the matter CMBC made their Arbitration Board Declarations ruling in favor of the Wessels brothers. And even after this matter was resolved Morey continued to spread the story that the Wessels had stolen REF funds. But given all these documented facts, we are the ones who are told to repent of our sin by our fellow moreyite brothers. We continue to call them brothers in the Lord and yet they call us "runners," "talkers," "apostates," fleshly," gossipers," "slanderers," etc.... But we are the ones with the ungodly behaviour that need to repent of our sins. They can accuse us of anything sin without any proof, but we cannot provide evidence of Morey's actions towards others. That is a double standard, we ask the Lord to please open the eyes and ears of the moreyites at BT. May God richly bless them in their journey to truth.
We ask our readers to continue to pray for Joey and his wife through this difficult time.
Tuesday, March 24, 2009
Thursday, March 5, 2009
I have now received a second letter from the United States Department of Justice which I just received in the mail a couple of days ago concerning Robert Morey of "Faith Defenders" (also going under the name of "Research & Education Foundation"). The letter is attached to this e-mail. Those of you who are not familiar with the first letter I received from the U.S. Department of Justice or the District Attorney of Orange County, California can go to my blog article on Robert Morey's criminal activities or reference it at the Morey links page along with other research material on this situation by others. I also recommend Ron Hodgman's True Faith Defender, True Faith Defender's Blog, & Self-Feeder Christian Blog on the Internet for interesting analysis of this situation.
As many of you are aware Morey is beating a hasty retreat out of California & is "supposedly" going to New York. Morey just held a final service at his California "church" to "celebrate" his "retirement" on March 1 (see the secular publication "OC Weekly: Robert Morey Retires - Praise the Lord!" for a report about this on the MOREYLINKS page). Currently Morey is under investigation by various law enforcement agencies with this latest attached letter mentioning that the "Economics Crimes Unit" of the Federal Bureau of Investigation will be looking into Morey's "possible mail fraud scheme perpetrated by the identified organization." This is just one of the criminal investigations Morey has to worry about (don't forget about the California Department of Corporations or the Internal Revenue Service among others). "New York" may not be far enough away to escape all the trouble he has coming his way.
None of this is a surprise to me since once he cashed in his "Faith Defenders" building in Irvine, California for millions of dollars, it was obvious that it was time for him to "take the money & run." When this whole bizarre scenario of greed & avarice is finally over we'll see where Morey & his "church building money" end up.
For additional reference on the 1990s "REF scandal" check out:
Dr. Robert A. Morey Exposed!
Stay close to the Lord during these evil days,
1 Peter 3:15
Tuesday, March 3, 2009
2. To remind and exhort those who had known of the previous scandals to speak out and warn others.
The Lord has blessed our work in helping prevent some from being spiritually, emotionally, and financially harmed by Morey. Recently Morey's ministry put out announcement regarding Morey's retirement from pastoral ministry.
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:32:05 AMSubject:
Announcement for March 1st
Dear Church Family, The last service of Faith Community Church will be held at 1:00PM on March 1st where Dr Morey will officially retire from pastoring. Pastors, members and friends of the church who have been blessed by Dr Bob’s radio program, books, tapes, CD’s, DVD’s, sermons and counseling are welcome to this celebration service. Join us in the Agape Feast to follow afterwards at 3:00PM. We will have a book table of Dr Bob’s resources available for purchase at 50% discount and can be autographed. A special “retirement love offering” will be taken. “ The laborer is worthy of his wages” 1 Timothy 5:18b Heather Terry webmaster of Faith Community Churchcontact firstname.lastname@example.org
This announcement brings relief and raises suspicion about Morey's motivation for leaving with the legal complaints against him. Or he could just open up a restaurant and be a chef like he has talked about in the past (for those that don't know Morey is a great cook). At BT it was stated "The Lord has called him back to NY with his family.." We suspect that he might try to start another ministry and continue to hurt other Christians. When Morey had his past scandals he could move to another state where many would not have heard of his scandals and give his side of the story presenting himself as one that overcomes the Satan's Devices. But with the Internet exposure on him he is now at a disadvantage, and will find it more difficult. All you have to do is do a search on his name on youtube, google, yahoo, and others to see what I'm talking about. The moreyites have now commented on Morey's farewell sermon at FCCOC on March 1st giving him a Pauline farewell like that of the Ephesians in Acts 20:27.
“For I Did Not Shrink From Declaring To You The Whole Counsel Of God.” Act 20:27
This was part of the message our Pastor, Dr. Robert Morey taught on as our service closed at Faith Community O.C. It was a great gathering of saints who have been touched by the life of a man who has been and will continue to be determined, along with his wife and children, never to compromise the truth of the gospel of grace. Pastor Justin Alfred, Dr. Armstrong of Calvary Temple, Pastor Glen Leatherman, Doyle Braden, Tim Barrons, William Wallace ( a Pakistani Pastor who has been blessed by Dr. Morey), and a host of many others gave testimony to the character of a man who is described as a shepherd who is a servant to all and an example of godliness!
After being at Calvary Chapel of South Bay for just about 6 years, I learned a great deal about servanthood, evangelism, and missions work. The Lord used Calvary Chapel of South Bay in a great way in my life. One afternoon while driving, I tuned my radio to a man who was teaching of the doctrines of grace. Being an ardent Calvinist hater, I was captivated by the teaching! Soon after, I realized I had to find this pastor. I had been struggling in my Christian life because I could not live the Christian life I was being taught. All this to say that that afternoon marked the beginning of one of the greatest blessings God would give my wife and I through Dr. Robert Morey and his ministry.
I can say as I look back that our experience at Faith Community OC has been monumental in terms of our growth in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ, our Lord. My wife and I have learned so much and have seen the work of grace not only in our lives but in the lives of our brothers and sisters as well. We have seen how the Lord imparts His gifts to individual members within the church to bless one another. We have learned that God reveals His glory to the world through the local church.
No one can deny that Morey has had a positive impact in the life and minds of many men and woman of God. That simply has never been the issue with Dr. Bob. The issues have been the dozens of eyewitness testimonies to his sinful and criminal activities against Christians throughout the years for his own gain. It does not honor God's law to silence the voices of those crying out for justice by only listening to those that have not been wounded. One case in point is that Morey has spoken out against Hank Hanegraaff in the past for his abusive behaviour against Christians. But if Hank were to retire from ministry he could present thousands of testimonials attesting to the impact his ministry and work have had on the lives of Christians speaking of his integrity that would dwarf Morey's. Does this some how prove that Hanegraaff is not guilty of any wrong doing and that all those (including Morey) are guilty of slander and gossip against him? So we have a dilemma, either Morey is guilty of slander and gossip against Hanegraaf, or Dr. Bob can be guilty of abusive behaviour against the saints while maintaining a base of Christians that have not been hurt by him.
We have also learned the heartache that comes when one is determined to stand for the truth. There have been the good times and of course there have been the bad times. The times when we must examine ourselves according to Scripture and then the very difficult biblical task of exhorting, admonishing, rebuking, and even handing over unruly church members over to Satan through excommunication. All these things we have experienced by God’s grace to His glory.
Christians who were put on kangaroo courts with Morey as the judge and jury telling the congregation to break fellowship with them. People who were slandered from the pulpit not given the opportunity to plead their case and handed over to Satan in direct violation of Pro. 18:17. And yes, it is to God's glory providentially that all of this comes to light.
Dr. Robert Morey and his family have been spiritual parents to my wife and I. Scripture says that whoever desires to be great in the kingdom of God, must be the servant of all! This is exactly what I have witnessed with Dr. Morey as our shepherd over the last 6 years. He is a man with the heart of a lion for defending the faith, and at the same time a man who is compassionate, caring, and one who exemplifies what it means to be a servant.
Was Dr. Robert Morey "compassionate, caring, and one who exemplifies what it means to be a servant" when he slandered Clark Gallagher? What about Tom Maxham, James Mulroney, Larry Wessels, George Bonneau, Mike Stephens, Jim Newheiser, and on and on.
Dr. Morey has taught us what it is to love others in the midst of adversities and in the midst of attacks by those who would claim to be followers of Christ. In these situations I have witnessed those individuals who Dr. Morey has extended his home, wallet, hospitality, visitation in the hospital, the very shirt on his back, viciously curse him, slander, and malign him, all without cause.
Well if we only listen to Morey's side of the story than one might think that it was without cause. But the truth is that we have dozens of witnesses and documented evidence of Morey's criminal behaviour against other Christians. So to say that it is "without cause" is irresponsible at best and dishonest at worst. I will not judge the intentions of the blogger so I will assume his sincerity in making this comment. But this does fit in with what I stated about the seven distinguishing characteristics of a moreyite. I will re post them here and remind everyone that these characteristics vary from moreyite to moreyite.
1. They accept the claims and assertions of Bob Morey on his personal and academic background at face value.
2. They unquestioningly accept Bob Morey's claims on theology, philosophy, and history as fact.
3. They emulate and repeat Bob Morey's talking points verbatim in discussions of faith and morals.
4. They (like Bob Morey) condescendingly belittle other Christians that disagree with them and people of other faiths accusing them of changing the subject.
5. They turn away any evidence of wrong doing on the part of Bob Morey always giving him the benefit of the doubt.
6. They disassociate from former church members that find Bob Morey's behaviour to be unethical.
7. They charge any critic of Bob Morey with "slander and gossip" (a Morey mantra) and call former FCC members "disgruntled" and "apostates".
You see them out there. I stand amazed and baffled how these individuals apostatize in such a way. Christ calls us to bless those who curse us, Christ calls us to love our enemies, so to this day I ask myself the question, how is it that these individuals after being greatly blessed and taught by this man, get angry and bitter to the point of becoming unbiblical? There is no excuse!
Then "how is it that" Paul rebuked Peter and Barnabas in Antioch? (Gal. 2:11-14) Paul stated that Peter and Barnabas "stood condemned" for being "carried away by their hypocrisy" They were not guilty of teaching heresy, they were guilty of hypocrisy not being "straightforward about the truth of the gospel". Was Paul being "unbiblical?" Was Paul "angry and bitter to the point of becoming unbiblical" when he wrote "Alexander the copper smith did me much harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds." (2Tim 4:14)? Was Paul "angry and bitter to the point of becoming unbiblical" when he condemned the man guilty of having an affair with father's wife? (1Cor. 5:1-5) Was Robert Morey "angry and bitter to the point of becoming unbiblical" when he stated that he had "zero respect for Hank Hanegraaff"? Would Morey apostatize in such a way?" I'm sure that the scribes and Pharisees would "stand amazed and baffled" when Jesus told them
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.
"You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence.
"You blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of it may become clean also.
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.
"So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. (Matthew 23:23-28)
I believe these words will ring true for Morey to some extent until God grants him repentance. (2Tim. 2:25) Was Jesus "angry and bitter to the point of becoming unbiblical"? I don't think that the Lord Jesus would "apostatize in such a way" and neither does the blogger. But why is it okay for Dr. Bob to say whatever he wants about other Christians? This question remains unanswered by our moreyite brothers. They know that there is a rightful place in the church for accusations to be made against Christians and elders (but evidently Morey is the exception). (1Tim. 5:9) They just won't accept any accusations against their spiritual leader with an open mind and not only refuse to hold him accountable, but will continue to accuse the witnesses of sin without answering the evidence.
We pray for these individuals that God grants them the ability to see that they are doing the work of the devil, and to cause them to focus on the glory of Christ, since God is sovereign. Speaking to a few brothers today, they said that were it not for the haters of the ministry, they would not have known about today’s get together, they came as a result of their announcements are were greatly blessed! Praise God. It simply shows us how God uses all things for the Good!
We pray that God will open the eyes and ears of the moreyites to see the truth about Dr. Robert A. Morey. It was providential that Morey chose Acts 20:27 to make his final sermon because the following verses warn the Ephesian elders against people like Dr. Bob.
"Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
"I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. (Acts 20:28-30)
Paul's warning is not only against heretics but against men who would use the pulpit for their own personal gain.
"Some, to be sure, are preaching Christ even from envy and strife, but some also from good will;
the latter do it out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel;
the former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition rather than from pure motives, thinking to cause me distress in my imprisonment.
What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in this I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice," (Phi. 1:15-18).
As for us, we thank the Lord Jesus for the 6+ years the Lord has given us at FCCOC. We love the brothers and sisters, the great relationships, the koinonia fellowship, the growth in our body, the exercising of our faith together and experiencing the glory of God while we worshipped together every Sunday! We have been together for this time, and now it is time for us to spread the fragrance! We have indeed this treasure in earthen vessels! We have been equipped and God is moving once again! Indeed He sits on His throne and His sovereignty rules over all! Praise God from whom all blessing flow!
Dr. Morey, you will probably never know how much you have impacted our lives! We bless God for you, Annie, John, and Ruthanne! You have indeed been a great example to us! We love you with the affections of Christ! You have been a Spiritual Daddy to my wife and I, and I’m sure to us all. From the deepest reaches of our soul we thank God for you, and thank you! We’ll always remember your exhortations, your smile, your laughter, the trips, the teachings, your crazy jokes, and not to mention Annies laughter, and good ole Scotty! May God richly bless you my charging Rhino. Keep on keeping on for Jesus! Kick old slew foot in the butt a thousand more times! Fulfill your ministry! We pray for a fruitful time in NY! You are in our prayers dad! It has been a blessing!
Brothers and sisters, feel free to sound off! The Rhino is on the move, surely this is not the last time we hear from him! Get ready……..Acts20:32-35
We wish all the family of FCCOC well and pray for them to have better discernment in a leader. And that Robert Morey will no longer continue with his abusive and sinful behaviour.
Monday, March 2, 2009
Tuesday, February 17, 2009
Discredited former radio personality Robert Morey, who was kicked out of the ministry by his Reformed denomination, caught in academic fraud with a bogus doctorate which the issuing seminary said was invalid, and after having his radio program canceled, lost propriety of his church building and has announced his early retirement from his “Faith Defenders” church in California. He is reported to be leaving the state amidst a series of complaints against him to police and law enforcement agencies calling for investigation into his dealings. Morey has been accosted for everything from alleged slander to widespread financial impropriety, often by former church members and colleagues, other preachers, and by members of the Christian business community with whom he had been financially associated. He was also dropped from the Christian Conference circuit where he had in times past once been an invited speaker.
By some reports Morey is attributing his retirement to reasons of health due to the problematic aftermath of his anti-obesity surgery. Other sources are suggesting it is to help avoid possible prosecution and litigation. We offer no explanation, but we simply thank God that he is finally gone from the radar screen. May it be final. This is indeed a victory for the Body of Christ.
Below is an email sent to church members.
Dear Church Family,
The last service of Faith Community Church will be held at 1:00PM on March 1st where Dr. Morey will officially retire from pastoring. Pastors, members and friends of the church who have been blessed by Dr. Bob’s radio program, books, tapes, CD’s, DVD’s, sermons and counseling are welcome to this celebration service. Join us in the Agape Feast to follow afterward at 3:00PM. We will have a book table of Dr. Bob’s resources available for purchase at 50% discount and can be autographed. A special “retirement love offering” will be taken. “The laborer is worthy of his wages” 1 Timothy 5:18bHeather Terry webmaster of Faith Community Church
Thursday, January 22, 2009
by Larry Wessels (Just Another Morey Victim)
"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor."
Here it is 2009 and I still find myself writing warning articles to God's people about religious CON MAN "dr" Robert Morey aka "Truth Seeker Bob." I started doing articles on Morey back in 1995 when I sent out a nationwide newsletter at my own expense delivered to thousands of churches, religious organizations, & individuals entitled, "A Defense Against Criminal Slander & Fraud" along with a multitude of other documented materials posted there dealing with Morey). Not only did I send out that newsletter free of charge but also hundreds of VHS tapes & audio cassettes (now available at yahoo, google, youtube, Dr. Robert A. Morey Eposed!, and the pdf documentation here) that exposed to the public what Morey really was. Wow, how time has flown & here I am still writing about Morey to try to protect the innocent from this money grubbing charlatan in religious clothing. Morey can definitely talk the Christian talk BUT he definitely does NOT walk the Christian walk (Titus 1: 10-16). This is clearly documented in many Internet outreaches (see http://moreylinks.blogspot.com/ for starters). Just as false prophets such as Jehovah's Witnesses & Mormons are still on the loose & Christian apologists have been writing against them for years so to is Morey running loose & Christians must warn the flock of this type of deceitful danger caused by people like Morey (Acts 20:28-31).
Before I go on with this article, I can't help but think of how just the other day I was asked by someone to explain to another that the theory of evolution was untrue. I took the time to explain that Darwin's atheistic evolution theory was simply another bogus religion that was being passed off as "scientific fact" to an unsuspecting public. Wow, you should have seen the look on the face of the one I was telling this to; she did not believe me for a moment! In the same way, when I talk of the abuse, fraud, & criminal activity of "dr" Robert Morey I get the same response of overwhelming disbelief from committed "Moreyite" followers. Ostrich faith in Morey, like evolution, is a broken reed to lean on (Isaiah 36:6). Unfortunately, many make an idol out of Morey despite all evidence to the contrary.
This article deals with criminal activities & the reporting to law enforcement authorities by concerned individuals of such activities. The question arises, "Should Christians 'look the other way' or ignore known criminal activities when those activities are being perpetrated by a so-called "Christian" or worse yet, a "Christian leader?" Is it the duty of Christians to remain silent when known crimes are taking place (such as rape & murder to white collar crimes such as mail or securities fraud)? How would Robert Morey ("Truth Seeker Bob") answer this question? Let's find out! The following is from "The Truth Seeker with Bob Morey" dated January/February 1995, page 4, from Morey's article entitled, "Christians and the Courts:"
In fact, instead of Morey being investigated, I faced a criminal investigation by the Internal Revenue Service because Morey filed a complaint against me! Naturally my brother & myself were completely cleared by the IRS criminal investigators (one IRS investigator even volunteered to be put on audio tape in our defense; listen to it here) & they indicated to me that Morey was the one who should be investigated! I immediately reported Morey to the IRS at that time but the IRS agents clearly told me that they were not allowed to report to anyone how the investigation would turn out. All I know is within 6 weeks of that IRS criminal investigation put into action against Morey, Morey suddenly decided to leave Pennsylvania & move to California!
Since all the law enforcement agencies I had written to had done nothing I simply wrote a few more national "Truth Seeker Bob" Updates to the general public & then just let the issue sit. From there I turned my main focus to Christian ministry while I worked my secular job. Years passed & Morey settled into California having gotten away with his fraud & slander because law enforcement agencies never investigated the case (with the exception being the IRS criminal investigators as far as I know). Unfortunately, since a leopard can't change his spots (Jeremiah 13:23), Morey started his "fraud & slander" scam on Christians in California & hence his current difficulties with them & me (in fact, as Christian after Christian was getting "burned" by Morey in California they kept contacting me to get involved again). So here I am in 2009 with Internet technology (I wish I had this back in the 1990s) reaching untold thousands with the trumpet warning about Morey.
My complaints range from his well established national mail fraud crimes and verbal extortion schemes to the overwhelming number of California witnesses who are complaining of Morey's defrauding them of their finances and of Morey's defrauding of church finances. In California Morey has been particularly vicious (which is his habit) in his criminal slander against any and all Christian people (especially members of his "church") who either ask the wrong questions or he perceives as a threat to his little scam operation he has set up there. Once again I have done all I can do. If law enforcement agencies will not take the time to investigate this case then it will simply be a repeat of what happened in the 1990s. Law enforcement inactivity and the fact that other Christians who have been affected by Morey are not reporting him to authorities is what keeps Morey in business and laughing all the way to the bank with other people's money.
I'd like to mention another item of interest. As many of you alreadyknow, Morey was kicked out of the Fellowship of Independent ReformedEvangelicals (F.I.R.E.), which is an association of like-minded churches, forthe following reason according to their posted statement:
F.I.R.E. has since released an 81 page report on Morey documented by numerous Christian witnesses (I was included in their report & was provided a copy as of November 24, 2008). Morey always tries to claim there are only "single witness" accusations against him trying to hide the fact that there is really a HOST of witnesses (and not just any witnesses but CHRISTIAN witnesses) against him. Morey has successfully used this "single witness" baloney on his brainwashed "Moreyite" followers who simply have not taken the time to check into the facts of the case for themselves. Despite this we have here an 81 page report filled with Christian witness after Christian witness testifying against Morey such things as Morey is a liar, a gossip, a slanderer, engager in illegal and criminal activities, immoral, filthy speech talker, lover of money, a non-Christian and on and on the list goes (Proverbs 6: 16-19 really comes to mind about Morey when this 81 page summary is read).
Unfortunately, F.I.R.E. has not given permission for this 81 page report on Morey to be distributed to the public but it has made it available to their membership. I contacted F.I.R.E. to use some of the damning information about Morey in the report for this blog article but their response was:
"Dear Larry, I submitted your request to our Executive Committee, who have declined to grant permission to post a quote from our Summary. While we are sympathetic to your concerns, we believe posting it goes beyond the original intended use of our document and the intent of those who gave us permission to include their testimonies in our Summary. We suggest you contact the original source directly and seek permission from the author. Thank you for checking with us. We do appreciate it. Blessings from the snowy Northwest. - Bruce Ray, FIRE secretary."
I decided to take the suggestion of the FIRE committee & I successfully contacted one witness in particular that had revealed very damaging criminal information about how Morey illegally acquired his church building at 17601 Fitch Avenue in Irvine, California 92614. Morey has recently sold that Fitch building to a hotel chain (Hilton I'm told) for millions of dollars (some say it was $14 million and who do you think got the millions of dollars and we can only imagine what manner of contractual finagling was done behind the scenes?). Ron Hodgman has been posting his own findings on the history and fate of the Faith Defenders building on three blogs, True Faith Defender, True Faith Defender's Blog, and Self-Feeder Christian Blog.
Now, back to our story- Armed with this new law enforcement contact information I immediately sent in an online complaint concerning securities violations to the US Securities & Exchange Commission. The California Department of Corporations does not take online complaints but rather you have to mail them in to: Department of Corporations, Consumer Services Office, 1515 K Street, Suite 200, Sacramento, CA 95814. Therefore I mailed them my complaint information about Morey's illegal acquisition involving securities fraud of the Fitch building in Irvine. As with all my criminal complaints to authorities I received a return receipt.
Since "Truth Seeker Bob" (dr) Morey is exactly what a multitude of Christian witnesses have been saying about him, namely an immoral, lying crook masquerading as a high and mighty Christian "scholar" who has "read every book in the Library of Congress" I would not be surprised if old "TS Bob" were to suddenly "take a hike." Just as when criminal investigators from the IRS told me years ago that they felt Morey needed to be investigated and within weeks he suddenly left Pennsylvania and took off for California, I would not be surprised if Morey suddenly were to "skip town" and "get out of Dodge." It's getting mighty "hot in the kitchen" there in California, particularly with the Orange County District Attorney watching him along with all these other organizations. A con man always knows when he has worn out his welcome and it's time to leave. Just as with all con men, he needs to go where no one really knows him well so he can start his scam game all over again. But as the old saying goes, "You can run but you can't hide."
The following is a recent letter I received from the Justice Department regarding Morey:
Interestingly enough, after I had completed this blog article and had sent it off to be posted I received the following e-mail from Dean Haakenson, the California Corporations Commissioner:
In reply refer to file no. CAS-41032, January 21, 2009, Re: Faith Defenders, et al.
This e-mail gave me hope that perhaps, unlike the 1990s, law enforcement agencies would follow-up and investigate Morey's activities for the protection of the public good.
The Apostle Paul rightly points out the key to all of Morey's problems in 1 Timothy 6: 8-10:
"And if we have food and covering, with these we shall be content. But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is the root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith, and pierced themselves with many a pang."
That's it for now. Stay close to the Lord during these evil days.
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1 Peter 3:15
Tuesday, January 13, 2009
1. Another church split.
2. The resignation of two of the three elders he had ordained two months before.
3. Robert Morey was asked to resign from FIRE.
4. The loss of the building in Irvine.
5. Mass exposure of his sinful conduct on the internet.
Shortly before the year ended on Dec 15, 2008 one of the BT bloggers published an excerpt from a Bible commentary on receiving accusations. I would like to re post it here because the commentary gets it right on this issue. But given the backdrop of the Morey controversies it is clear that he posted it (at least in part) as a rebuke of our work.
B. H. Carroll on Receiving Accusations Against an Elder
“Receive not an accusation against an elder, except at the mouth of two or three witnesses.”If that rule were followed strictly, many needless scandals and troubles in churches would be avoided. It is such an easy thing to call a man off and whisper, “Don’t say anything about this, but I want to tell you something about our pastor.” We should stop the whisperer at once: “Are you about to tell me something against the pastor? If so, do you know it to be true, or are you proposing to circulate a hearsay? If you know it to be true, can you furnish the corroborative testimony of other witnesses? And will you and the other witnesses go with me now and tell what you know to the pastor himself, face to face, giving him an opportunity to meet the accusation?” The whisperer will be apt to reply: “Oh, no! I don’t know anything myself. I have heard so and so.” Thus we not only silence the whisperer, but we save ourselves from becoming a partaker of his sin. The necessity for this rule, in all cases, is more emphasized in the case of a preacher, whose reputation is a large part of his capital.I had a remarkable experience on this line. I went to a certain church to help in a meeting, and noticed one man who kept praising my preaching ad nauseam, while others looked sad when they heard him. After a while he came to me and wanted to put me up against some members of the church, and especially against the pastor. I said, “Look here; you don’t know whom you are talking to. I came here to help, not to harm this pastor. I won’t hold a meeting to hurt a pastor. If you have any accusations or complaints to make, and if you can bring two or three witnesses, let us go before the pastor himself and then if necessary before the church and fairly investigate this matter before we go on with the meeting.” That sawed him off and he never praised my preaching any more.It is shameful the way good, God-fearing men are slandered by irresponsible reports against them. Bring the accuser to task and make him come out in the open and give his corroborative evidence, and allow the accused a chance to answer.Timothy is there in Ephesus, a great city with many thousands of church members, and many preachers. He is there in an apostle’s stead, and from all over the country some people, if encouraged, will be bringing him private word about some of the preachers. Paul says, “Don’t receive an accusation against an elder except at the mouth of two or three witnesses.”The Mosaic law went further: If a charge was made and not sustained, the perjurer received the punishment that the accused would have received if found guilty. Such a restriction puts a brake on the slanderer’s tongue. When we thus hold a man responsible for what he says he is not so ready to talk about people.- B. H. Carroll, An Interpretation of the English Bible, Vol. 16, The Pastoral Epistles, The Epistles of Peter
This has been the consistent teaching of Robert Morey for years based on the Bible. But has he practiced what he has preached on this very issue. Let us take a look at some of the things that Dr. Bob has published in the past on slander. These picture scans are from REF mass mailings from the 1990s, there are handwritten marks to single out points made by Morey.
Morey has chosen to take "the high road by not responding to the attacks made against him.." While "Others have taken the low road in this regard by wasting much time and money in the effort to defend themselves."
One of the questions that have been asked of us that have chosen to publish this information on Morey is "don't they have anything better to do?" Well now I ask the same question about Morey, didn't he have anything better to do when he sent all these mailings against the Wessels brothers? Will the moreyites be consistent and rebuke their pastor for wasting all this time slandering other christians? But I think the reader can see that Dr. Robert Albert Morey is a hypocrite when it comes to "slander and gossip". He can say or publish anything he wants against anyone else and it's okay, but someone says something against him and they're guilty of slander and gossip. It's right for Morey to contact EMNR to aid him against the Wessels brothers, but for Tom Maxham to contact FIRE to aid him with Morey is wrong. We are not told why, but we know it is so because Dr. Bob says it is so.