Friday, April 17, 2009

The LORD is full of grace and mercy!

We are grateful to all who prayed for gadfly j and his wife through this difficult time. I have not provided the details of Joey's condition per his wife's request. But I can say they are humbled by the LORD's grace and the intercession of the saints. They see the invisible hand of God providentially working all this to His own glory, and the living testimony that the Holy Spirit has made them for the cause of Christ. May the Lord be praised for His glorious grace and mercy.

"And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong." (2Cor. 12:9-10)

Thursday, April 2, 2009

Double Standards Continue at Biblical Thought

I've been following some of the activity at BT in their comments about those of us that have been exposing Bob Morey. I've been fascinated by the thought provoking statements made by our moreyite brothers.

H8n S8n
Note to Stephen:I will not be offended if you do not post this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^As some of you know, I am on the very small team who worked for3 years gathering the info for The Senate to go after the “Grassley 6″. The first post from me here is the Grassley press-release. It was a direct result of our monitoring, that led to my interview by Frank Pastore, on Todd Bentley.
Roughly 2-3 years ago, these bloggers were claiming Dr. Bob sold the Irvine building, hid the money, and continued to raise funds for the building. In less than 10 minutes, I was able to confirm from online Orange County public records, the church still owned the building, and all taxes were paid. The fools lied about something easily refuted by public records!
It takes a lie to cover up a lie, so you know what happened next. More lies.

It is true that there are many speculations made by some that are easily refuted but do not apply to the statements made by all Morey's critics.

All these claims of “embezzlement” and no court cases filed anywhere. I know this, because we looked. It took about a week ofscrambling up the searches with various names & FBN/DBA etc.Nothing.

Did he look for Morey's filed court cases against the Wessels brothers too? Or is this objection applicable to everyone other than Morey. It was Morey who wrote a letter to the IRS claiming the Wessels embezzled money from REF. It was Morey who put out mailings asking for money because of the alleged embezzlement done by the Wessels brothers. This is clearly a double standard, this same complaint can be laid at Morey's feet. The Wessels brothers had to go through an IRS investigation in order to clear their names from any wrong doing. After their names were cleared, Larry contacted the IRS to investigate Robert Morey, Larry assumed that the IRS would take action. This is all explained in the videos available at yahoo, google, and youtube rendering this comment irrelevant to the REF scandal. If the Crown Publications Scandal with George Bonneau is being referenced, then the documentation provided below must have been missed.




4. CROWNE PUBLICATIONS, INC. George Bonneau Writes To Larry Wessels

5. CROWNE PUBLICATIONS, INC. Is Dissolved In Good Standing


7. CROWNE PUBLICATIONS, INC. Morey's Complaint Dismissed


9. Robert Morey's Letter To The IRS Accusing George Bonneau of Crown Publications of Criminal Theft

Well, to be fair? We may have missed South Carolina and Montana.Some states web-sites are difficult to navigate.
I wanted to have our team investigate because of the many bloggers claims did not balance on the scale with my six years of personalexperience with Dr. Bob.
Ex:About 2001-2, Dr. Bob was on the radio and asking for support.I sent him a letter with a offering. Dr. Bob read my letter on the air,PRAISING the person who sent a “$2 Offering”
For me? I could not balance this with what I read from the bloggers.
However? I do understand how some can get caught up in the lies.Not everyone on the block knows how to check tax-liens, civil cases,FBN’s and such, that are available through public records.
Should we pray they are rewarded according to their works?
I’m H8n S8n !
Mar 18th, 2009

It's interesting because these "claims did not balance" with people like Mike Stephens (Morey's former radio producer) or Clark Gallagher (Morey's former assistant). And yet now they do. The comment that stood out to me the most was the one posted by Sir Aaron below.

Sir Aaron
H8n S8n and others:
Because I am a federal investigator, Dr. Morey recently asked for my personal opinion on the ongoing ravings of these miscreants. He sent me some materials related to some specific accusations to review. I reviewed his materials and downloaded the various documents that the other side posted on various websites. I looked at both sides very critically. Honestly, I felt the review was completely unnecessary. The accusations made against Dr. Morey are so absurd that the falsity was apparent on the surface. If I had received such accusations in my professional capacity, I would have dismissed them out of hand for being preposterous and nonsensical.

Really, I wonder if Sir Aaron's "critical" review included contacting Larry Wessels to hear his side of the story in obedience to Prov. 18:17. I also wonder if this federal investigator considered the conclusions of the late Hank Kitchen's (former CSI investigator and REF contributor) on this case. Robert Morey himself referred to Kitchen as a great researcher.

But even if the patently slanderous accusations were true, the accusers are still guilty of grossly unscriptural behaviour of the worst kind.
Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded?
Bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you
Just a couple examples that came to mind this time of the morning.
Mar 19th, 2009

Here he rebukes us and accuses us of "patently slanderous accusations" and being guilty "of grossly unscriptural behaviour of the worst kind." These are serious accusations that Sir Aaron throws our way without providing any evidence that we are guilty of such things. It is ironic that he speaks of "forgiveness" while calling us "miscreants" referring to our work as "ongoing ravings," "slander," "preposterous and nonsensical," and "so absurd that the falsity was apparent on the surface". Stephen Macasil of BT responded to the only person making any sense (on this issue anyway) on Mat. 18 as it relates to this issue.

But we cannot issue the free pass to everyone and anyone all the time and in all situations. This is where I think the issue hinges. If ignorance can warrant a temporary pass and excuse certain unbiblical behavior, then what shall we do with those that are not ignorant? If it is clear that an awareness of God’s precepts are possessed by a professing Christian, then they should be held at a much higher level of accountability than the truly ignorant professing Christian. I certainly hope that all would agree with this.
So to discard Matt. 18 (or any relevant text) as legalism and render the “technically unbiblical” actions of professing Christians as somehow valid, may apply to the ignorant, but not to the knowledgeable. This distinction then rules out many of Morey’s opposers since he has clean hands having preached these things with bombastic emphasis time and time again *to them* over the span of his career. He has also written on the subject. This makes them accountable for their actions as they are bound by the Word. No longer can one plead ignorance (which still doesn’t excuse before God).

However what these commentators fail to see is that Mat. 18 was followed in the case of the Wessels brothers. Both the Wessels and the Moreys signed the AGREEMENT OF THE PARTIES legal document (with their lawyers present) that stated that Christ Memorial Baptist Church would be the arbitrator. To resolve the matter CMBC made their Arbitration Board Declarations ruling in favor of the Wessels brothers. And even after this matter was resolved Morey continued to spread the story that the Wessels had stolen REF funds. But given all these documented facts, we are the ones who are told to repent of our sin by our fellow moreyite brothers. We continue to call them brothers in the Lord and yet they call us "runners," "talkers," "apostates," fleshly," gossipers," "slanderers," etc.... But we are the ones with the ungodly behaviour that need to repent of our sins. They can accuse us of anything sin without any proof, but we cannot provide evidence of Morey's actions towards others. That is a double standard, we ask the Lord to please open the eyes and ears of the moreyites at BT. May God richly bless them in their journey to truth.

We ask our readers to continue to pray for Joey and his wife through this difficult time.